I was working in creative environments, but internally… I wasn’t happy. Nicholas Edward Cave, dit Nick Cave [nɪk ˈkeɪv]3, né le 22 septembre 1957 à Warracknabeal (Australie), est un artiste pluridisciplinaire australien ayant acquis sa notoriété en tant que chanteur, auteur et compositeur du groupe Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, où il exprime sa fascination pour la musique populaire américaine et ses racines, notamment le blues ; il est en outre écrivain, poète, scénariste et occasionnellement act… You pass through this [immersive] environment to find the video installation. I went there because there was a professor I wanted to continue working with, Professor Spear. What strange culture, what strange people?”, what kind of crazy things do you think might be going through their mind? MB: I can relate to that feeling, for sure. The Soundsuits became integral parts of Cave’s practice, and this original experience also awakened a sense of civic responsibility in the artist. You flatten as you go. It has gotten me to face who I am. NC: You think it’s crazy, but it’s something that, internally, you kept at. Not in that sense, but I dream. MB: No way. For me it’s just the recordings. NC: I sit in silence every day. That’s how I’m able to take this collective group and walk into this dream. That is not quite from this place. I think I’m a messenger first and an artist second. “Until” is somewhere else in the world and it’s there for ever. There’s something, there’s a vibe that I… I don’t dance, I don’t usually get all rowdy, but there’s just some spiritual thing that allows you to just let go, you know? They are just the vessel, your performances are very people-based. How can I create a project that will reach hundreds of thousands of people and raise their level of consciousness about these issues? I’m North African and Italian, but I never really thought anything of it. I don’t really think about it, because the work is not rooted there [in art]. MB: Right, because even a collector doesn’t really own it. Cave was sitting in a park, feeling vulnerable and cast aside, when he saw a discarded twig on the ground. I will never be able to do that. MB: Yeah. I was like, “I gotta get out of here. It’s interesting because, with an artist like Matthew Barney, his films are kind of the works, and then if there’s a prop from the film, some collector will scoop it up. All lives matter. So, if I’m on my way to Sydney in November to install “Until,” the project I did at MASS MoCA [Massachusetts Museum of Contemporary Art], I’m there for a month and a half, and find this is my new studio practice, that it’s my studio- away-from-home studio. Blank Realm by Gary Canino . Seventy-two people were shot and killed in October. It’s frightening, but you can’t look away. Internally, we all know what we need to do. So the thing about “The Let Go” and working with these individuals, it was these testimonies that these kids were willing to share. It has gotten me to face who I am. I had to let everything go that was in my life—relationships, people—in order to see if this was possible. [The beating was a sign] for me to take responsibility. The title comes from the phrases “innocent until proven guilty” or “guilty until proven innocent.” Both are linked to police brutality in America. NC: Isn’t that the most horrific thing—that there’s always this thing of, “What’s next?”. MB: I wish I could. Nick Cave: I’m doing great. Then, with yours, it’s the reverse—the performance is front and center. I want something a lot more cohesive, where transitions are easy. I was collecting objects that speak about nostalgic moments in history. Cave—the 60-year-old queer visual artist, ... which is the core purpose of the Soundsuit,” Cave said in an interview. Why Artist Nick Cave Is Commanding the Spotlight Globally The creative multi-hyphenate speaks with AD about mastering sculpture, performance, installations, and the zeitgeist By Brook Mason It was a very interesting piece for me, too, because… I’ll tell you a story. For me, these projects that I’m doing right now, I’m able to take a collective group of people, I’m able to ask them, “Are you willing to walk through this journey with me?” And that is everything to me, that I am not making these journeys alone. Nick Cave created his first Soundsuit after the Rodney King beating in 1992. But I’m a different person, now that I understand that there’s a world out there. Lives matter, not just Black lives. Later he fabricated a symbolic suit of armor, using hundreds of collected twigs. Photo: Casey Jones. My friends were running through those streamers. I’m living in fear, emotionally. But, again, it’s one of these projects, like with every other project within the past five years, where I can only speculate, I can only say, “Hopefully it feels like this or that.” But I don’t know because I will be walking into it just as you will be. These were the two critical discourses that influenced and brought my work to life. And then I’ve got Times Square. Where it serves the community in some aspects? We must keep making projects that allow us to dream. Art and Law Artist Nick Cave’s Controversial Upstate New York Artwork Has Found a New Home at the Brooklyn Museum. And no defining that through any particular [thing], but just what is your self-hood, what is that made up of, and how do you prove that? At the moment, we are planning the programming for the MASS MoCA project, with a series of performances in the space over the next year. It’s a new art initiative. I’ll never forget it—it was a shiny pink suit with tambourine-like symbols on it. My father died when I was 17 and wasn’t really that available when he was here. Is that something that just strikes you? NC: It opens in November, I think. Choisissez parmi des contenus premium Nick Cave Artist de la plus haute qualité. There’s an artist friend of mine, he’s of Japanese descent in New York, and we were at an after-party for an art show and he asked me, “When you look in a mirror, what do you see as your identity?” And I was kinda floored because I’d never thought about it, and it never felt important because people… People only recently—when I moved to New York—have started asking me about my ethnic background, something they might not ask somebody who’s Caucasian or something like that. MB: That’s crazy. MB: It was pretty crazy for me to see that visually. I’m horrible at it. Oh my God, there were moments where I just had to make sacrifices, too. MB: [Texas] is such a strange place. The Rodney King beating put me in the position to be the voice of the innocent. Trouvez les Nick Cave Artist images et les photos d’actualités parfaites sur Getty Images. That was my first Nick Cave moment. Shreveport is a border town at the crossroads of Arkansas, Louisiana, and Texas. Artist Nick Cave discusses creating his first Soundsuit in 1992 in response to the Rodney King beating. It takes time to really develop something, and once you understand that, that means your foundation is solid, you’re able to build whatever you want on top of that. So, it’s good. I think you’re right, it’s a great time for people to sit and reflect on—. The way I work is that I’m pretty quiet until I’m ready to hit. MB: That’s awesome. NC: So, I’m looking at the dualities of the ways of looking at objects, looking at environments, looking at relics and thinking, “Wow.” So it’s even more powerful now that I can understand [an object’s] role in society. You’re surrounded by information and just visuals. It’s much more grounded and rooted in something that has more meaning. 1959, Fulton, MO; lives and works in Chicago, IL) is an artist, educator and foremost a messenger, working between the visual and performing arts through a wide range of mediums including sculpture, installation, video, sound and performance. That’s the shit that’s important —creating these platforms for people to see what is possible, what their future could look like. NC: I remember being in Times Square when I was 35, 40, thinking, “If only I could have these monitors.” But that’s the amazing thing about life—it’s about dreaming. It allows me to be protected, to not get distracted. MB: I definitely saw that in “The Let Go” with Jorell Williams and the Sing Harlem Choir. NC: That’s the first time I’ve ever said that. Again, I’m doing all I can to bring [communities] together in these mass quantities and… Like with Park Armory, we worked with more than 100 social services that occupied the armories daily. Nick Cave (b. I needed to become selfish to see if this was possible. Three years ago, the museum’s curator Denise Markonish invited Cave to show in the notorious Building 5 at MASS MoCA, a cavernous space as long as a football field, but her invitation came with a caveat: no Soundsuits. So it’s really lived in this un-peculiar kind of place that tends to arouse some sort of emotion. That’s what’s gonna set you free. Although they pass through me, I don’t feel connected to them, in a certain sense. I started out solo in the studio and then it changed to me having a staff of about 10, which varies from 10 to 30, depending on each project. You know, we don’t want to say the truth, we would rather turn our backs on it as if it doesn’t exist or—, MB: I went to Park Avenue Armory and I saw, I experienced, your show “The Let Go”. And to be able to selectively create this environment occupied by this moving curtain called Chase, and that curtain was designed with one side red, black, green, followed by blue, black. The first Soundsuit was a response to the beating of Rodney King, and more recently you created a Soundsuit after Trayvon Martin’s death, called TM13. I know it will be immersive and it will be joyful, and scary, like it was when you first saw a [Soundsuit]. It’s police shootings, it’s BBQ Becky, discrimination…. Nick Cave Nick Cave artist page: interviews, ... April 17, 2003 • Nick Cave made a lot of noise in the post-punk era of the 1980s with his previous band, The Birthday Party. Somebody said to me, “Are you going to your reunion?” I was like, “Look, I will go to your high-school reunion, but I will not go to mine.”. And I’m adopted, so I don’t really know. The Soundsuits became … Graduating from Hickman High School in 1977, he enrolled … Art professor and performance artist Nick Cave was born February 4, 1959 in Fulton, Missouri. NC: Well, it needs the support of others in order for them to take action, or a project to come to life—. NC: It’s been magnificent to develop and to work within communities and find ways of being proactive in using art as vehicle for change. I’m moving into a smaller place that will allow everythingto operate on one floor. The Soundsuits mask the identity of the wearer, allowing viewers to contemplate the absence of systemic social abuses of race, gender, and class. Later he fabricated a symbolic suit of armor, using hundreds of collected twigs. There’s an urgency I feel, as an artist, as an African American man, as a citizen of the United States, and as a resident of Chicago. Portrait by Sandro. So, I’m taking over more space in the building, but it’s like, “We can only do that project on the first floor,” or, “We can work upstairs, we just need to move about three floors,” and I can’t take it anymore. MB: Well, you might even celebrate it. You’ve said that you look for a sense of humility in the objects and materials you use in your sculptures. Browse NickCave.com for live dates, lyrics, news, films and official store. For me, it was the police chasing a minority. It’s scary, it’s frightening, it’s dark, yet there’s something that is other about it. Hopefully you can make the opening. NC: Exactly. As a student at George Washington Carver School in Fulton, Missouri and at West Junior High School in Columbia, Missouri, Cave showed creativity and artistic ability at a young age. These opportunities are extraordinary, but I understand them because I’ve been on that path for so long. What happens when textiles meet modern dance all dressed up in a "Sound Suit?" Interview ; Art; Share. And yet in a peculiar way, it also evokes some sort of strong belief or optimism. NC: Yeah. Can you explain the process of amassing and editing the elaborate collection of objects in the installation at MASS MoCA? Not even college. Is that something that happens when you’re sitting alone? It was really very strange. And I think if the world were to sit in silence every day for one hour, I think we would live in a different world”, MB: And 26 years later, we’re seeing it happen again and again, except it’s worse. Do you see them now becoming more a place to escape to than a form of resistance? Feeling that there’s nothing else, and I have to get back up and get back in the game. MB: Totally. Cave points to gun violence and racism in this country as the driving forces for his wearable sculptures. All Rights Reserved. MB: When you create a Soundsuit, are you thinking of the performance and the role the suit is going to have in the performance, or do you just create the suit and then find the performance to put it in? When I first saw [the suit], I never thought about any of the connotations of the creation of the Soundsuits. NC: Oh yeah, totally. I studied dance and then I studied at the Kansas City Art Institute, then I went to Cranbrook for my master’s. As I’ve gotten older, seeing your work has turned more into intrigue and curiosity, and also more celebration. It’s like with the magazine, how do you create this magazine so that it has a purpose? Harnessing the Penchant for Play Teaching with Contemporary Art Simultaneously sculptures, costumes, and musical instruments, the Soundsuits are meant for motion. Nick Cave: 'I have to spend hours talking to fucking idiots like you' It's August 1988 and the Bad Seeds frontman and 'journalist's nightmare' is in ferocious, fighting form. For example, I found seventeen Black lawn jockeys. We turn our backs against it. So it was really about stripping down one’s identity and building oneself. Cave shares his thoughts on pipe cleaners and fashion week, and invites everyone to come to his playground. The buoyant appearance of the Soundsuits, composed of kitschy materials such as beads and plastic tchotchkes, belies their serious connotations. MB: Conceivably, you could be creating anywhere over the world, but when the purpose changes, does your mission change? © 2020 RAIN Magazine. Nick Cave is a contemporary African-American artist and dancer known for his unique fabric sculptures and performances. I’m sort of in hiding when I go home, because I can’t bear to see anyone. And one of my close friends eventually bought me one of those DNA tests, and I spat in a tube, I sent it away. This is interesting. NC: Well, I’ve always seen it as both. It’s an amazing feat to be consumed by consumerism and the insanity. The official website for Nick Cave, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds and Grinderman. Nick Cave created his first Soundsuit after the Rodney King beating in 1992. I’m excited. But it was not something I really thought about. Krystian von Speidel sits down with artist Nick Cave to talk about his incredible Soundsuits and his concurrent exhibits at Jack Shainman and Mary Boone Galleries. {{watchlist.lookupAttr('runtime', video);}}, “I wanted to put the viewer into the metaphorical belly of a ‘, “I feel called to action, and I’m trying to find a way, as a visual artist with a specific sense of responsibility, to be proactive”, “You cannot walk through the space without sharing what you’re experiencing. You can only imagine and hope for that. NICK CAVE & THE BAD SEEDS en concert : Ses textes, pétris de références bibliques et peuplés de personnages inquiétants, et sa musique, qui puise aux sources du blues, du gospel et du rock'n'roll, forment le socle d'une oeuvre dont la richesse foisonnante et la cohérence presque étouffante fascinent. MB: Right. Twitter. This morning, the Chicago crime stats came out for the month of October. MB: Hey, if that’s the entrance plan, I’m glad. Soundsuit, 2015; mixed media. Yes. Lately I’ve been selling performance works, which is amazing because there are museums that will take care of each performance, and they will continue to perform the piece. MB: Right. Five hundred eighty-two people have been killed so far this year. Cave was sitting in a park, feeling vulnerable and cast aside, when he saw a discarded twig on the ground. NC: No. I am interested in the repressed, dark, and racial commentary embodied in these artifacts. In a sense, they own the vessel, they don’t own the performance. In spite of everything that’s happening, I can take control over my destiny and respond to these horrific concerns. Yes, these objects are out there, in the space of disparity and repression, but I do not operate there. NC: But I don’t think I really thought about where it could lead untilI was in college. There was a time when I wouldn’t sell a Soundsuit unless it was performed, because I wanted that history there, I wanted them to be connected to something. Nick Cave’s Until was on view at MASS MoCA in 2017. When I go home for Christmas, I have couple of brothers who still live in Missouri and they’re like, “So-and-so wants to see you.” And I’m like, “No. I would go to the Museum of Natural History and look at all these artifacts and art objects, which all served a purpose within a particular culture. It’s that I may have a concept or idea, but as you said before, I have always had a group of people, participants, who have always been part of my process—whether fabricators, dancers, musicians, or curators, they’ve always given me this amazing platform to dream. Photo by James Prinz, courtesy of MASS MoCA. We need places to go where we can just surrender to the environment that we’re experiencing. “I sit in silence every day. Chicago’s my incubator—it allows me to experiment and test out ideas. And I’d be hiding out for four months, just embarrassed and deflated. And I’m in the studio… you know, Trayvon, it goes on and on. I was in the studio, thinking, “What the hell is going on?” All of these events made me wonder whether there is racism in heaven, and that really was the beginning of the show. MB: That’s amazing. NC: While I was in school there, there was this junior high school that we occupied, so we each had this amazing studio. And I think if we were to sit in silence, if the world could sit in silence every day for one hour, I think we would live in a different world. There is darkness all the way through, but there are also moments of extreme glory. So that means I now have to put it out into the universe. It’s me looking at black-on-black crime. The amount of people who turn their backs on situations they’ve witnessed and then go out to dinner. NC: I don’t know… at the beach? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Cave_(performance_artist) There are also these moments where we’re back to back. NC: For the most part, it’s the latter. I’m telling you, there were times when I was like, “Oh my God, I can’t… this isn’t working.” But there was something bigger— bigger than me. So it was about all of the above, and what you were talking about as well—that we’re not defined by what we look like. And, in fact, my most recent two exhibitions at Jack Shainman Gallery did not contain any Soundsuits. I’m doing a video installation there on all the monitors, from December to February. Denise Markonish, curator of MASS MoCA, came to my studio in 2015, at the beginning of the year, and said, “We want to offer you gallery 5—we’ll be back in a year to see what you have decided to do.” And I hadn’t been thinking about it and then, all of a sudden, [Freddie’s death] triggered the project. And it kept bringing me back to movement and dance. His mother, Sharon, raised him and his seven brothers. My mind races like crazy. There were moments where I… situations where… projects that fell apart, performances that fell apart in front of, like, 3,000 people. This interview originally appeared in the print edition of RAIN magazine in the fall of 2018. Rather, I feel like I’m the one who has been chosen to deliver them. I can’t think of anything since Barbara Kruger. Courtesy of Shreveport Regional Arts Council. Related Artist Nick Cave Talks About Surrendering to the Sacred We have about ten performers that will present or perform in the space through the duration of the show. As opposed to repressing those feelings or—. And I remember being terrified. In 2016? MB: You’ve had such a long and historic career, and that show… I haven’t been yet, unfortunately. Experience the largest presentation of work by Chicago-based artist Nick Cave, featuring thirty-five of his Soundsuits—multi-layered, mixed-media sculptures named for the sounds made when the “suits” are worn. The lawn jockeys often hold lanterns in a subservient position; in this installation, I wanted to shift that [image]. NC: Because I find that unity and… those are my ambassadors. I gotta get back in the game.” So that’s what I did. Without the people, there wouldn’t be art. NC: Because I would be so attracted to so many aspects of the arts that… Things need time to mature and to develop, for you to understand how they are to exist and function in the world. You find that you’re not alone, going through this experience. This is great.” Which I think is what you wanted to achieve. NC: No. In addition to the value is this vast library of video works and performance works. And so, through these horrific tragedies that we face daily, it was my next mission, my task, to deliver that project. Resistance can be about taking a positive kind of approach, and I sort of created “The Let Go” as a form of resistance. These dazzling sculptural costumes are made of thousands of found objects, buttons, old toys, and other everyday items, but their visual brilliance conceals a darker message. MB: That makes a lot of sense, and I feel it all the time. The interesting thing about this show is that, in order to leave the space, you have to walk through the installation again. NC: And it really is just based on pure leaps of faith and just fear. NC: I just never close the store—it took about 10 years for it to really take form. I’ve been in this building for maybe 15, 20 years. So it was this amazing journey in which you would find yourself moving through the spinner force, and then you would come up on this enormous, crystal, cloud-scape that you could then climb up to the top of and see above the object. It’s gotten me to understand who I am. I never know what to tell them. I saw myself differently after [the King beating]. Sep 9, 2011. It’s like you can let go in them. If I say I can make it, I can make it. MB: Amazing. I can’t.” Because I’m just not… I don’t know what we have in common, I don’t know how to identify with friends I went to high school with who have chosen to stay in Columbia. I first came across your work when I was a teenager, at the Contemporary Arts Museum in Houston. The exhibition is really intended to be a shared experience. We’re living in a time where we can find ways of working that can inform as well as find common ground. How does the question, “Is there racism in heaven?” connect to the show’s title, Until? Photo by James Prinz, courtesy of MASS MoCA. MB: Right. MB: That sounds great. And empowerment. I think it’s every night at 11.45. As I was developing this project, the Michael Brown incident happened in Ferguson, Missouri; Freddie Gray went down, and then Eric Garner, Sandra Bland, and Christian Taylor. I don’t necessarily mean what show have you got coming up next, I hate asking people that, but what do you want to accomplish next? You’ve stated that you’d like your art to function as a form of diplomacy. It’s really about creating the setting for us now to do the work that is asked. NC: Yeah, it’s happening again and I think right now… I’m just one person, you know? Because you’ve said that you want to flatten class and race, and all of these aspects disappear with the suits. You have talked about how the first Soundsuit changed you as an artist and how you began to embrace the idea of civic responsibility. NC: The next thing that’s on my mind is really… I really need to just take a break for once. Nick Cave: Here Hear continues at Cranbrook Art Museum (39221 Woodward Ave, Bloomfield Hills, MI) through October 11. Could you explain how the imagery in this installation has evolved from the Soundsuits? Portrait by Sandro. I grew up in Houston, and you went to school in North Texas, right? Interview by Mark Benjamin. I find that I work in this very particular way, where I’m interested in making objects and then bringing them to a performance platform. All around the world, they would have permanent residencies. My projects are like deeds that I need to deliver, and then I move on. So I’m like, “OK, this object was used in this particular ritual for this purpose.”. Nick Cave's Controversial 'Truth Be Told' Artwork to Go on Display at Brooklyn Museum: A 160-foot-long text work that sheds light on racial injustice and police brutality. MB: That’s awesome. This summer, his most recent show, “The Let Go,” was performed several times each week at the Park Avenue Armory by the Mama Foundation for the Arts and the Sing Harlem Choir, in collaboration with the creative director Bob Faust. Dancers were transformed into colorful beings in a magical and ritualistic performance of singing and dancing, while streamers several stories tall became mobile as the event transformed into an interactive party. Artist Nick Cave spent several days installing his solo exhibition at the ICA Boston in February. I just fought through it. I also wanted to ask you about Texas. NC: Yeah, and then you’re like, “Gotta go.” I think we’re suppose to be living in the world as opposed to living in the country. Yet, at the same time, there are still opportunities. And you’re just trying to make things, and you just need isolation to do that. I want the space to be one where young people and adults can gather to talk about difficult situations. Which will also be what’s left behind. NC: Yeah, my first grad school. I need a more intense rigor.” I need to be pushed, I need to be challenged. I tried the corporate thing, too, and I couldn’t do it, so I quit my job and started this magazine like a crazy person. I don’t know. I’ve found buildings that were the one and then the zoning couldn’t be changed, so it’s taken a while. But it’s never been that I was interested in fashion as a pathway, or dance as a pathway. I’m more into volume, and the alternative ways of helping this vast world via communities through this art experience. And it’s gotten me clear. NC: I know. 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